For over a year now the defense attorney for Casey Anthony has stood by her story of a Nanny taking Caylee. Through the arrests, searches, murder indictment and every ridiculous motion the one thing that remained unchanged was that Zenaida Fernadez Gonzales is who took Caylee Marie Anthony and that is who should pay for this crime. Unfortunately the Zenaida that was accused happened to be the wrong one and therefore the Anthonys and the defense have hired their own people to find her.
In a new strategy it appears as though it is not a Nanny who took Caylee it is a meter reader. WHAT? According to a woman who volunteered for TES; Joy Wray, she claims to have video footage that will prove that Caylees body was not in that area and that TES did in fact search that area. Based on this new information the defense has changed their strategy apparently. Roy Kronk is now being accused of killing Caylee and putting her in the woods. The defense is digging up all the dirt they can on Kronk and have even filed a motion implicating him in Caylees murder.
Even though I have not been a huge fan of Leonard Padilla I have to admit that he called this one early on. Although he has repeatedly tried to speculate that there is a connection between Kronk and Casey Anthony, nothing has been proven. However, perhaps Leonard Padilla is respnsible for planting this new idea in theminds of the defense attorneys? In February Roy Kronks lawyer sent a letter to Padilla threatening to sue him as he was telling any media outlet who would listen that Roy Kronk was involved in this.
I know the defense team hired someone to dig up anything they could on Roy Kronk and he succeeded. They have even found a connection to duct tape and Kronk. According to one of Kronks ex wives Jill Keerley: He had a saying about duct tape. This of course would make him the murderer! I often say things about duct tape while trying to get my husband to fix something. I say that if he doesnt fix it he is going to come home and I will duct tape it. So… does this mean I could have committed the crime?
Now of course the defense has found that Kronk obviously is some sort of pedophile based on the words of an ex girlfriends daughter who claims that he sometimes walked in when she was putiing on her clothes. I am never one to dismiss the words of a child when it comes to a possible pedophile, however, if this is the only link to him possibly being attracted to little girls then they better dig deeper.
Remember the saying: HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE THAT OF A WOMAN SCORNED? Well who better to interview and destroy someones character than the ex? While we may not know the circumstances surrounding the break ups, what I would like to know is: Can you show me five people who were not romantically connected to Kronk that will say this is his character?
The words spoken by his son stating that Kronk told him he was going to be on tv, while it bothers me that he could have possibly been looking for his fifteen minutes of fame just like the other cast of characters in this wild scenario, that doesn’t implicate him as a murderer.
The defense lawyersagree that all of this latest supposed evidence is circumstantial, yet they claim he is just as much a suspect as Casey based on the evidence. I feel that once again this is nothing but a game and a way to place doubt in them inds of potential jurors. Roy Kronk has endured absolute hell by trying to do the right thing. I admit that at first when it came about I too speculated if he could be connected to this. However, if this case is teaching anything to the public about the decision to do the right thing, it is showing them that perhaps it is better to walk away and say nothing or you too will be drug through the media.
This still leads me back to WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NANNY? Now that they are so sure that Kronk is involved are we supposed to forget that they are searching everyday for this supposed Nanny who is not the Nanny that they are currently being sued by yet the leads they have are solid and it will all come out at trial? If the defenses latest motions did anything to convince me of anything it would be that they are grasping now at anything possible. They backed themselves into a corner long ago with this entire Nanny scenario and now expect people to believe that they found the real killer? No, the real killer is now and has been sitting in Orange County Jail for over a year… Right where she should be.
**IN A LITTLE SIDE NOTE I FOUND AN INTERESTING WEB PAGE IN WHICH THE BLOGGER HAS FOUND A WAY TO DISCOUNT EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE AGAINST CASEY ANTHONY. BE CAREFUL YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK TO BANG YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL 🙂 http://www.asecondbreath.net/
thanks for the link..outch, my head hurts!
Hi Renee, sorry you got caught up in spam for a minute. I still can’t figure out why some get put there but you are out now. I too had a little headache. While I believe we are all entitled to our opinion and have the right to believe that Casey Anthony is innocent, I really am in awe at the lengths some people will go to in order to try and convince others of that. I feel that if you have to pick apart every story and interpret it for people in order to show them that there is some hidden meaning then quite possibly that means that the story is just what it appears to be. Ah but to each is own:)
Hi halfpint, it is me Laura from Dave’s blog. I had to change email addresses. You have to be careful where you go so your computer does not get hacked. Okay on to your post. WHAT NO NANNY, LOL hahahaha! I am so shocked I really believed she had a nanny no one EVER laid eyes on except Casey. Kidding. I for one thought about Roy’s son testimony and the only thing I came up with is SO WHAT? Roy had called the police 3 times in August. He knew what he saw, he told his son. Now he is trying to make it a bad thing. LE has proof that he called. I am not buying Roy did this either. First off Casey swore in her statement the nanny took her, Cindy believes her daughter about the nanny. It is the families story so I am sticking with that. So now am I to believe that of all the children in Florida for Roy to snatch, he snatches a child that has already been kidnapped? What are the chances of that? Stiick around I am sure there will be a new victim of Casey and the defense team next week. Love reading what you write, hope you are not gone as long as you was this time.
Hi Laura! Sorry you were hacked hate when that happens. I agree and am really in awe that the defense truly might believe that this helps them look any less inept. Thanks for the compliment, I did seem to be gone a while. My two boys started wrestling season officially and I don’t know whether I am coming or coming most days…lol
Hi Halfpint! Good to see you! 🙂 I think I figured it all out this weekend; I broke it all down over at Niecey’s, and will post it here too….
I think I figured it out. Kronk’s Dungeons and Dragons character is named Zenaida Gonzales. She’s a sexy Puerto Rican 10, with connections to a drug cartel and human traffickers. She’s a millionairess (yet ironically homeless) working nanny. So Kronk–in full costume, mind you— began stalking Casey and the toddler she cared nothing about, and managed to convince her to let him babysit. MWAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!Sinister Phase 2:Kronk-still in costume- gains full access to the Anthony home and everything inside it: toys, computers, cars, the pool, the playhouse, the phone–and starts plotting the murder and the frame-up, months in advance. Nobody catches on to his disguise, not even when he shows up to read the utility meters in his normal work attire. MMWWAAAHAHAHAHAHA!When the Dungeons and Dragons Master finally gave the signal, Kronk decided to “teach Casey a lesson” by killing the child she never wanted, and thereby giving her a life of sex, drugs, and partying. He then found George’s duct tape, taped her mouth, stuffed her in the laundry bag, along with half the toys from her bedroom, and threw her in the trunk, and let Casey drive around oblivious to it all for a few days. Then when he intercepted Caseys text messages about the stench in her car, he decided it was time to drop the body in the woods. So one night when Casey was busy banging the Miami Dolphins at Tony’s place, Kronk stole her car and dumped the bodybag in the woods near her home. Cuz that’s the most logical way to frame somebody, right?And all in the name of D and D!!!! Dungeons and Dragons forever!!!!!!!!!
Ostella! Always making me smile:) Can you send this to the Baez firm? I think this could be really helpful in their case.lol
hey halfpint! agree with you completely. this is so much bs. you made me laugh, though, when you added the sidenote about banging your head against the wall. don’t we all feel this way? i did not read the website because i already have an excedrin headache.lol God, please let this be over soon and God bless little caylee!
Hi midget! Yeah the banging the head comment, sometimes I forget that notes to myself just come out of my mouth…lol
The only way Kronk could have anything to do with the commission of this crime is if he drove the car to Amscot after he dumped the body where Casey buried her gerbels. Have we gotten the forensic report back on Zanny’s Ford Focus to see if he took “a live” Caylee from her car? Maybe her sister, Stephanie, or her mother, Gloria has something to add to the discussion.
Careful Boston… What if the defense reads this? You just gave them the a plausible scenario that they are sure to have a slam dunk case with.lol
Actually, I don’t think Padilla had anything to do with the microscope on Kronk.
I believe the defense would find dirt on Kronk no matter what, just as they have done with Casey’s other friends.
But the odd thing is, as you have pointed out, is the direct shift from Zanny to Kronk. They want to win, win, win, and at this point it means dumping Casey’s credibility, which, I guess was ZERO anyway, but they supposedly were previously sticking to it. Now, unless they explain
how Kronk is the nanny, they are saying, “We no longer hold to Casey’s statements about who took the child for 31 days prior to being reported missing. Casey is a liar. We believe we’ve come up with a better lie, er, we mean truth for this case. “
Hi Ideas: No I do not think Padilla has anything to do with this latest attempt of Baez playing lawyer, I just meant it is ironic that he is the first one who planted the seed many months ago in the minds of the public. I absolutely agree with you about the only goal being to win win win. The defense has shot their crdibility down on their own many times, yet they have always stated that they stand behind their client and the turth will come out at trial… Well now they are basically again inserting their foot and saying that : While now we feel our client has zero credibility, we are going to defend her because we may make alot of money after this is over… The whole thing is a huge circus
What happened to the guy who introduced Casey to Zanny? He has a little boy (Zachary I think), and Zanny also babysat him. Was that anther “lost number/in the wrong cell phone/not saved on the sim card character too?
If only we could “find” that lost cell phone with all those numbers to all those people. 🙂
Hi Diana: Actually the guy is named Jeff Hopkins. He and Casey were not really friends, and as it turns out she ran into him during this whole “I am desperately looking for my daughter act”. It appears as though she fabricated the friendship and relationship with him as a way to either show her connection to Zanny, or to implicate him as someone to be looked at. What she didn’t count on is that the police generally will find people who are any part of solving a crime. Jeff Hopkins was interviewed, stated that he knew Casey (more like knew of her), never knew a Zanny and miraculously never had a child. Of course Casey ad Cindy state that this is not the Jeff Hopkins she was speaking of. Funny, Zanny is not the Zanny she was referring to , Jeff was not the same one she was referring to, and yet if I were the “lost” Jeffrey Hopkins out there I am pretty sure if I saw this plastered all over the news I might want to clear my name… Oh wait, he did… hmm….
Thanks for the excellent summary Halfpint.
Waving hi to all my friends 😆
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Hi Jill! Its been a while! I was a little late but started it a week ago and then of course “life” stepped in… Thanks friend!
Thanks *halfpint
So….why don’t interviewers ask LKB, JB and AL all about this guy? What could they say to this? Another invisible person? Oh…..let me guess……..It will all come out at trial and it’s a compelling reason that he is lying about his invisible son.
Absolutely Diana! I am sure this is one question in which Baez will give his famous : ” I’m not going to try this case in the media” statement. That seems to be the way he does things when he has no answer.
The things that the ex wives are saying about Kronk do creep me out a bit, but like you said, it doesn’t prove he’s a killer–let alone Caylee’s killer. I think you can misinternpret any person’s behavior for evil if you tried. The other thing about Kronk was that it was strange that as many people who searched for Caylee, he just HAPPENS to see what looks like a skull in the woods. But things DO happen. You could look at that both ways. He may have just been in the right place at the right time. As for Casey, you can’t just do a complete 180 and change your strategy, that makes her look guilty. How are you going to explain her car, the cholorform, her not reporting her daughter missing, etc. Nice try but I doubt it will work.
Yes Pak you are so right. I too was leary because Kronk kept talking about this plastic bag. Perhaps if Casey’s overwhelming amount of evidence, while circumstantial wasn’t present I would sway to believe Kronk could have had a hand in it. The one thing I have thought was that he was tipped off by someone, but we may never know that.
Of all the theories I’ve heard so far I think Ostella has come up with the most believable one.
Hi Bees!
Ostella sure keeps me laughing that’s all I know. Perhaps she should send her theory to Baez so he has a new one when this one crumbles…
Kronk’s x-wives/girlfriends have the cringe/sleeze factor down to a science. I can’t believe anyone would be that desparate for companionship.
He might have had the misfortune to find the most miserable woman to marry/date but he is a real hero to many all across Florida, FDLE and the FBI. He has a proven track record of persistence and never gave up on finding Caylee. Will we ever know why he kept returning to Caylee’s final resting place? Probably not.
Here’s hoping he gets a lot more thanks from abject strangers than he did from “family”. Yikes!
Hi Boston! I agree that the women who are in his past are painting a very scary picture of him. However, there is a reason they are no longer in his life and sadly some people find pleasure in making someone else miserable. I wish they would remember that at one point in their lives they really cared for this man and now to try and destroy his credibility is just mean. If he were that much of a monster it seems as though they would have looked into charges long before Caylee Marie was ever known to this world.
Pak31-The minute Caylee Anthony was found and Mr Kronk was identified as the one who called in the tip and alerted LE that he was looking at “a skull with masking tape on it” he was in the process of being investigated.
Mr Kronk went through an invnestigation by the FBI and the FDLE.They know everything about Mr Kronk , beginning from the day he entered elementary school, when he signed up for military service. They know it all.
He’s walking the streets of Florida and having his legal bills paid for mainly because he incurred legal bills that most Good Samaritans never have to deal with.
What did Mr Baez hope to gain from exposing those who would lie like his client? Simply to prove that others are willing to lie? Would I be rude enough to say perhaps he likes the company of woman who lie-no. But it has passed my mind on more than one occasion.
Pak, Mr Kronk is as clean as the driven snow. It was unfortunate that he couldn’t handle his employment issues. Dirt happens.
Excellent comment Boston. Yes the FBI know everything about Kronk and I truly believe that if there were one shred of evidence that he could have anything to do with this he would be in Orange County Jail. You know sometimes something happens and you just cant get it out of your mind. Perhaps because he saw something odd, the case was so widely televised, and the area was so close to the Anthony home, he couldn’t just put aside the possibility that this was something to look at and therefore kept going back.
Sadly, I truly believe that when people have witnessed what the defense and media has put Kronk through they will think twice about being good samaritans. This economy is screwed up enough and when people see that a man has been drug through the mud, lost his job, and has fingers pointed at him now, they may choose to stand aside and let someone else do the right thing!
Yes, what a travesty. A good and decent man.
What is it about this case that maligns everyone-not just the perpetrator. I would vigorously defend each “secondary voice” that entered this “movable crime scene” day in and day out. Yesterday I did the same thing. I woke this morning and thought about my comment and how I personally have become some kind of a black and white thinker-I don’t know if Malcolm Gladwell would approve but I’m not going to stop now.
I will never forget hearing Caylee’s last words to her great grandfather, “”Are you tired Papa” or the day I sat in my “study” (my laundry room) and heard Dr G. say that the remains found in a swampy area were those of the “missing” child.
I have read enough to know that sociopaths can infect and damage the small and vulnerable among us; they can make the most unsuspecting and caring adults (i.e. parents)enter the dark side of the soul and think about ending it all; all those who have been lied to and robbed have systematically been diminished and degraded over the years simply by their association.
This was a horrific case of murder and it is crystal clear to LE that Ms Anthony acted alone. Only LE or Mr Baez knows why Mr Kronk returned to Caylee’s final resting place in December. I will always wonder why but I will also be thankful.
So many have been tainted by their association with Ms Anthony either directly or indirectly-let’s hope no one would ever walk away from a skull and bones wrapped in masking tape and say, “my lips are sealed”. Caylee cried out to Mr Kronk and he rescued her.
Beautifully written Boston:
I hope you don’t lose the “black and white” thinking part you ave. It makes your comments show your passion and heart for a little girl that became the unheard voice for all the children who are suffering at the hands of their parents.
I think any of us who have followed this case from the beginning witll always remember the video and how it showed a happy and bright little girl. No in her pictures and few video clips that have been released she shows no sign of being an abused child, yet we will never know if the sociopath that she called Mommy was the doting and loving mother when someone watched and then mis treated her when nobody was around. I continue to always go back and remember how Casey would speak of her: “That little girl”. Those owrds say so much, and none of it is good. It shows her disassociation as a mother. Of course we all knew before Dr. G. confirmed that the remains were Caylee, yet perhaps there was that one little glimmer of hope that it was not her. Standing infront of the television listening to it be verified and hearing “Homocide by undetermined means” made it all very real. I think anyone following this case shed tears that day for this poor baby.
Yes Casey is definately a sociopath, yet in researching the mental disorders, there are so many pieces of many that could all fit together and be the diagnosis. Sadly, the lives she touched will forever be changed. As much as I become angry at the actions of her parents, I have to always remember that it was the facade Casey gave that leads them to be unable to entertain the idea that she is truly a cold callous murderer.
I will continue to believe that Casey Anthony is the killer, the only killer and hope that Caylee is forever flashing through her mind day after day. Mr. Kronk was called to that place and I too am thankful he wouldn’t let it go or Caylee may never have been at peace.
Hi, i know this wont be a” popular” statement however I do agree with a lot of what that blogger says about many things pertaining to this case. When you really open your eyes you can see there’s much more that could’ve been investigated including other family member (s) possible involvement along with the crew she was hanging with , drugs etc I feel LE has dropped the ball on a lot of things including ki0 maries statements early on and LE not checking out the wooded area then. I do believe there could be a major cover up which includes LE officials and one possibly being Caylee’s daddy…..A married one at that? One doesnt know but LE has overlooked a lot especially within the Anthony household. George Anthony has a shaddy past, including possible escorts and illegal dealings, stealing, lying the whole nine yards.. He’s just as much a suspect as Casey IMOO. She’s going to walk on murder charges and spend time in jail on fraud. That is my prediction. Burn me, i dont care, one better look at all corruption there in Orlando, enough said!
Hi NannysManny: I do not “burn” anyone for their opinion. Yours is just as much as a right as mine. Furthermore, I don’t allow it on here either. I like to hear all theories in this bizarre case and have a great group of commenters and fellow bloggers who I think discuss this case in an adult manner. That being said:
LE, the FBI, and all involved have done the investigating. Let’s take Kronk who is the latest target of the defense. Before he was on the television the FBI had everything they needed to know about him. With the latest announcement about hispast being a little shady, it only further deflects the blame from the one who should be sitting right where she is. I have no doubt in my mind that George, Cindy and the whole lot of friends, acquaintances and so on have been investigated to the fullest potential. The wooded area was checked out to the best of their ability at the time. If you have followed this case from day one, you will remember that the specific location was under water due to the hurricane.
I do not believe that there is any cover up going on and if LE didn’t think they had the right person the death penalty charge would never have been put back on the table. If you have poured over every document that has been released ( and remember we only have what they want released) you will see that Caylees father continues to be a mystery and that secret lies within Miss Casey. If she were truly innocent of this crime she would be screaming from the rafters to be heard and give any information possible. There are a lot of great pieces written in reference to who the father is if you look on my blogroll.
Casey Anthony was never held responsible for anything she has done in her life and I truly believe she thought she would notbe held responsible for this. Any mother who can go on and continue life as though nothing happened for thirty one days is at best narcissistic. Everyone always excused her behavior, therefore she thought this was another oops she would be excused for. I have no doubt that Casey Anthony will be convicted, my doubt is only whether she will die by lethal injection or spend the rest of her life in jail. Either is a tragic end for a crime that never had to be committed.
If CAsey was arrested due to her lying they need to arrest Cindy as well as shes been lying about Caylee’s existence even before Caylee was born. Denying her long before her birth. It wasnt Casey, it was Cindy. I am not saying she’s innocent by any means however there is more. IT’s the same pattern, Cindy in control just like she was before Caylee was born. Lying , telling stories etc. Even trying to win one over on her own brother, that wasnt Casey, it was Cindy. LE needs to look closer at this. I dont believe Casey was the murderer but she knows who is but cannot say due to her implicating herself, if she admits she knowing that means instant guilt, especially if it is a family member. There’s something said when she says she’s protecting the family. Most of her lies have some kind of truth. This could be because of what you’ve posted about Cindy’s enabling etc, etc. I do feel money, illegal activities, possible loss of a home, stress due to all of this killed that baby. But which Anthony?………
Another scenerio…….Casey used her baby to pay a debt, but didnt expect her to die because of it.
LE could’ve done a lot more. Did they interview JP Chatt for instance? Where is his interview? HE was a friend who roomed with Amy, Ricardo a known druggie in Orlando! Where is that interview and did they test JP? Ki0-maries statement about the wooded area. I cannot accept the excuse as to why they did not check out that area then. Water???? Give me a break! This is going to come into play and will help free that chick. Too much doubt in this case! Lies wont convict her or else George and Cindy will be convicted also
As far as moving the case down south florida. My brother lives down there, and says a lot of people dont even follow the case. Same when I go down, I talk about it and not many people have even heard about the case. So , it’s a high possibility that she may walk if it’s moved. Especially with all the doubt in this case and LE’s missed opportunities. I dont want to sound negative however I am preparing myself for it as I do want to see justice for this poor little girl however they really need to step it up there in Florida. Just look at all the missing children and adults just from the Orlando area. Did they arrest Somer Thompsons mother yet?? I’ll bb later, good blog and many good posts.
Well you have brought up alot of good points Nanny, let me see if I can address some of them for you with my take on them:) Oh and thank you for the compliment Im glad you enjoy reading them.
* CINDY ARRESTED FOR LYING?
This of course has been a huge battle of the wills since the “pizza” statement was said for the first time. As we all sat there in awe listening to this seemingly educated woman tell the world that she mistook the smell of decomposition for rotten pizza with maggots crawling all over it. ~ Now apparently she has never seen the pizza box but was told it was in there. This led me to believe that George was trying to protect her from saying what he knew, and I think that someone in her place, facing what she has to would grab at that explanation so as not to have to deal with the reality of knowing her daughter killed her grand daughter. Yes Cindy has said some very ridiculous things, yet it has been pondered by alot of us that it is not necessarily a “cover up” for Casey as much as it is a denial state for Cindy. I have long thought that they should have been brought up on charges of obstruction and am not so sure that they will not be when this is said and done. Right now the state has to focus on Casey and then deal with the rest after.
* JP CHATT INTERVIEW?
Jp Chatt was interviewed sometime before the summer of 09 yet his interview has never been made public as of yet. I wonder if this is because there is pertinent information in there. It has been speculated for quite some time that he is in fact the father of Caylee. Apparently resulting from a one niht stand with Casey, that coupled with Amy h stating that he hated Casey makes it plausible. Here he was a man that was engaged, working on a degree, had a child with another woman. So of course he would not want the woman he slept with ( knowing he was one of many and not necessarily the only one in one night) even around as she could ruin his life. As far as why the child support or anything never came out? Maybe he did give Casey money, who knows. She could have struck a deal with him and he could have given her cash all along without any court papers being filed, and without anyone having to know. It would benefit Casey as she needed money, wouldn’t have to tell her parents that Caylees father was Puerto Rican ( apparently Cindy had an issue with Hispanic people) and makes some sense to me. Because for Casey to not work for two years, even though she stole from everyone, she still would have needed to steal a lot more than that.
WATER NOT AN EXCUSE?
I have to disagree with you on this one. Yes I do believe that LE couldn’t investigate properly if water was present. For them to have searchers trudging through the water, anything that may have been evidence could have been trampled and destroyed.
TRIAL MOVED?
While I do know that not everyone follows this case, there are very few who have not heard of it. I am in Michigan and while her name may not rigger a response, the story does. With or without moving the trial the forensic evidence is overwhelming. I will say that it would not surprise if a bombshell happens and Casey points the finger at her parents as a last and final desperate attempt to save herself…
If they can find the titanic, they can use some type of equipment(called boats and sonar) to search in water, water I doubt not that deep in that area…
I agree with your last response and I believe the defense is going to use Cindy Anthony’s enabling as some type of defense….
Thanks
Nanny-“LE could have done a lot more”.
Back up your thinking a little bit. Let’s start with the phone call to 911 made by the defendant’s mother on July 15, 2008 @ or about 6PM
1. Mrs Cynthia Anthony called in the report to LE that her granddaughter was missing and that the babysitter/nanny, Mrs Zanaeida F. Gonselez, abducted/kidnapped the child.
2. The daughter/ mother of missing child got on the phone and when asked why she was calling a month after the disappearance, Ms Anthony told the operator that she was looking for the child on her own-“which was stupid”. (sociopathic speech pattern seen throughout the first 24 hours of the investigation).
3. When police arrived within the next 5 minutes they interviewed the mother, sent officers to the FDLE to search for Mrs Gonsalez and inspected the car.
4. Ms Gonzales was located that evening in Orlando and met at her home by officers. Several hours later she was cleared by the FBI/OCSD of any wrong doing. (kidnapping is a federal crime)
5. During the initial investigation Ms Anthony lied to her parents, her brother, LE, FBI and implicated a complete stranger.
6. She had the intent to deceive, attempted to deflect blame and punishment and demonstrated through words and actions an unwillingness to help investigators find her child.
7. Within 24 hours of making the initial phone call to police she was arrested for child neglect, etc. July 17, 2008 @4:33pm she was booked into the OCJ 7. When shown a picture of the only ZFG in Florida Ms Anthony said that it was the wrong person.
N.B.
No one, other than Ms Gonselez, has ever stepped forward to countersue Ms Anthony or said that because of the use of her name she has suffered financial and emotional pain and suffering.
8. Ms Anthony’s car has the smell of decomposition and she appears to be unmoved by the strentch while officers are almost overcome by it. Vehicle is towed to police forensic facility for testing.
9. Told investigators that Caylee called her at noontime that day and they passed pleasantries. Caylee told her about a book she wanted or was reading.
10. Ms Anthony was arrested and charged with Neglect of a Child. It was abundantly clear to the two responding homicide detectives that Ms Anthony more than likely killed this child (see discovery docs).
Tremendous police work.
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What sealed the deal for me almost 16 months ago was the neighbor. He reported to police that Ms Anthony borrowed his shovel.
Why no forensics on the shovel?
Also, why didnt investigators pindown GA and ask him why he never called the police when he admitted smelling decomposition? It doesnt look good for Casey I admit however one could ask why two grown adults waited over a month to call as well, especially when they admitted being the ones who took care of Caylee 99% of the time per GA’s interview.
Casey Anthony went through her pregnancy all alone. Her parents never inquired about her pregnancy so it would stand to reason that they did not inquire about the father.
Her Uncle acknowledged this in his emails to his sister Cynthia prior to and during his wedding weekend. Cynthia Anthony catagorically denied that Casey was pregnant even though everyone at the reception saw her belly button popping out of her form fitting tank top.
Casey did not implicate anyone until Caylee was born in August. Casey told Jesse that he was the father of Caylee. Jesse told his dad, Mr Richard Grund, and within days of Caylee’s birth Jesse, taking the advise of his father, had a paternity test and he told both his parents and Mr and Mrs Anthony that he was not the bio dad.
Casey did not know the bio dad’s name but she did know names of people who had died. She implicated a dead man because that’s how she could avoid telling the truth-she didn’t know but saw an obituary for a young Hispanic man and put it up on her myspace page. This person had no ability to say yes or no. The police went to the home of the deceased young man and interviewed his parents. They stated that he never mentioned a girl named Casey Anthony and they knew their son well enough to know that if he was going to become a father that at some point he would have told his parents. They were shown a picture of Casey Anthony and did not recognize ever seeing her before.
Paternity is something she really and truly does not know. She could have USED his name if she wasn’t USED first.
She also knows that it’s of no consequence-he meant even less to her than Caylee.
Yes, this is all speculation……I do believe Casey knows the true identity, just my own opinion. Most mother’s do!
Nanny: Forensic tests were done on the shovel, but remember Casey never buried Caylee. In my opinion I think she thought about it, but either it was too much work for her or she knew that it wouldn’t take long for Caylee to be discovered in the backyard. Bostons explanation above gives the reason for no call to the police immediately. You have to understand that this is not your run of the mill family and in all actuality Cindy could probably not even begin to process that something happened to Caylee. Her first thought was to find Casey and figure out what the hell was going on. George Anthony in his interview clearly stated that he did not want his wife to know that he was there speaking with them. If anything can be agreed upon at all it is that Cindy ruled that house and made a decision very early on to stand behind her daughter. George, with his background in law enforcement most likely was able to put two and two together and no matter how hard he tried to stand behind his daughter the guilt and love for his grandchild took over and he had to speak.
Cindy Anthony was the one who began the crusade that law enforcement was targeting Casey. I believe mother and daughter are very much alike and although Cindy held out every hope that this child was alive, deep down she knew she was gone and now her focus turned to saving her daughter. In watching both parents at the jail visit with Casey, it is clear to see that she got away with many things over the years by screaming, threatening and acting like a psycho. Their demeanor turns very quickly from parents who want answers to parents who coddle their child. Perhaps if Casey had been held accountable for the things in her past that they fixed ( mostly Cindy) for her she would not have ever entertained the idea of killing her child. The thnigs she never had to answer for were not small little mischevious acts they were acts of someone who is conniving, callous and self centered. Just to point a few out: 1) CASEY LIED ABOUT HER CREDITS IN HIGH SCHOOL, KNOWING THE YEAR PRIOR THAT SHE WOULDN’T HAVE ENOUGHT TO GRADUATE, YET CONTINUED ON WITH THE FACADE AND INTHE END IT WAS CINDY WHO WENT TO THE SCHOOL AND BLAMED THE ADMINISTRATORS NOT HER DAUGHTER FOR LYING. 2) CASEY WAS SUPPOSEDLY ENROLLED IN COLLEGE AND ATTENDING CLASSES YET AFTER CINDY FINDING OUT THAT SHE WASN’T THERE WAS NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT . 3) CASEY LIED ABOUT BEING PREGNANT FOR MONTHS TELLING THEM SHE HAD A CYST OR TUMOR AND THAT WAS WHY HER STOMACH WAS PROTRUDING. HER MOTHER WAS AN RN AND WOULD CLEARLY SEE THAT SHE WAS PREGNANT. YET CHOSE TO NOT FACE THAT AND ALLOW HER TO MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE THE IDIOTS. 4) DUE TO CINDY AND GEORGE HAVING MARITAL PROBLEMS, CASEY WAS ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO HER FATHER LIKE A PIECE OF SH*T AND NEVER REPRIMANDED FOR IT. 5) AFTER STEALING MONEY FROM HER GRANDFATHERS NURSING HOME ACCOUNT, CASEY WAS NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE, HER MOTHER FIXED IT TELLING THE GRANDMOTHER THAT SHE WOULD PAY THE MONEY BACK. 6) WHEN SHE WAS CAUGHT NUMEROUS TIMES BY HER MOTHER LYING ABOUT GOING TO WORK AND WAS REALLY OUT PARTYING WHILE HER MOTHER SAT HOME WITH THE BABY, INSTEAD OF HER BEING TOLD SHE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER CHILD THEY CONTINUED TO ALLOW HER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM AND NEVER MADE HER ACCOUNTABLE.
While those are only a handful of things, they are not things a normal child who has been raised to know action and consequence would do. Casey took advantage of all who came in contact with her and used everyone until there was nothing left to use them for.
LE dos not make it a habit of targeting someone and implicating them in a crime without evidence to support that. If for one minute they believed George and Cindy Anthony were involved in this crime at all believe me they would be sitting right there. While I don’t condone the way they have handled many things, I have said many times that while we would all like to think we would have acted differently, until we walk the mile who knows.
Caey Anthony murdered her child and acted alone. She never desperately searched for her because she knew right where she was. She is a pathological liar and a sociopath. She has no understanding of what it is to truly love people and when Roy Kronk doesn’t pan out as the murderer, she will begin pointing fingers at the very ones who are standing up for her.
I remember reading up on this, not every single document I’ve read, but most. Very well put. HAving said that, It’s my opinion Cindy Anthony should be held accountable as well…..It’s known she gave the wrong hairbrush on purpose, cleaned the car/washed pants and I believe she took off from work the end of June/beginning of July to “Fix” the backyard. I do believe that Cindy and later George knew early on what happened and helped stall the process. Cindy knew she’d have to call sooner or later. I do understand how Casey was, holding her parents hostage however by enabling that behavior, and still doing so i feel they should be held accountable….Just my opinion of course.
Forensics were done on the shovel (see documents published by DA)
George drove the car home from the towyard. I cannot recall with any certainty whether George went to work but I think maybe he did.Cindy drove her car home from the towyard and returned to her place of employment. Three co-workers and one supervisor shoved her out the door. They knew something was wrong as Cindy had explained what she found at the towyard. They were supportive but pleaded with her to leave the office and call police.
Cindy left the office and once home went to the car, opened the back door and found in Casey’s belongings a slip of paper with Amy H. cellphone number.
It was not important for Cindy to call police until Casey was apprehended and could tell her where Caylee was. After all, this is the same person who made countless calls, text messaged her daughter, created a myspace page to communicate with her daughter and was relentless in her pursuit of Caylee. Cindy listened to countless excuses about where Caylee was and what she was doing. What Cindy did not do in the 31 days is talk to her grandchild.
Mrs Anthony explained this in her first interview with LE. Mrs Anthony also covered for her daughter. Mr Anthony was forthcoming with LE from the gitgo.
It was only when Casey was arrested did they start to back down and turn the tables on the media and LE, the FBI and do some very dangerous damage control for their daughter. They knew first hand that their granddaughter was more than likely the cause of the decomp in the car. They protested too much because they knew who Casey Marie Anthony was. A sociopath.
Knowing their daughter like they did, they knew she would never confess and they as much told Greta von Susteran and others that, “Casey would stay in jail for the rest of her life if it meant that Caylee would be safe”. These parents learned their skills at sociopathic speech from a pro.
Legal proceedings are predicated on the facts. Cases are built on circumstantial and direct evidence and the police collect evidence, write reports and present the evaluate whether or not there is suffient probable cause.
If there is probable cause to arrest a suspect than they are mandated to do so.
Mr and Mrs Anthony had absolutely, positively nothing to do with the commission of this crime prior to or after the fact.
It has been established by LE, the District Attorney and those representing Ms Anthony that she acted alone.
Casey identified herself to LE and told them her name and her date of birth and she also told LE that she was the last person to see her child alive. She was the one who proffered the Stranger Theory from the moment her mother called the OCSD. She never implicated anyone she knew.
But we all know that she was the one left holding the bag. Thirty one pounds of humanity thrown in the dark and lonely woods.
God Bless her heart and soul.
Awesome summary Boston! Both up here and below.
Yes, and this is every reason why Cindy should be held accountable too! Knowing how Cindy is I do believe she knew early on. IMOO
NannySmanny-I do not know what country you live in but I live in the USA and we have the rule of law and criminal procedures which make every effort NOT to arrest and charge innocent people.
Magical and circular thinking run rampant during the presumption of innocence phase but believe me that type of thinking stops right at the steps of the courthouse.
No one in the courotroom engaged in the presentation of a case walks around and says, Geez, I’ve got a hunch about who drove the car; Geez, I’ve got an opinion on why she broke into the shed; Wow, this thought came to be last night in my sleep and I think I know why she used the neighbor’s shovel; Geez, what if it happened this way, we wouldn’t be in court today; You know what, I’m filled with suspicion about the virtue and lack of purity of this defendant;my gut tells me this defendant was framed,etc.
Evidence is Latin for FACTS. When the crime scene investigators take us through the crime scene it should be so methodical and scientifically reliable that we should hear the victim SCREAMING and calling out to the defendant, Why did you do this to me? That’s the only legitimate question the victim wants an answer to.
Death is permanent. Doubt isn;t.
Shivers Boston… Yep I got shivers down my spine reading that! AWESOME
Yes, I agree with a lot of what you said there however until I hear both sides i cannot convict her as of yet. With the evidence released thus far, noway would a jury convict her. Most of it is based on ALL LIES from Casey right down to the parents so there has to be “prints” for me to convict her of murdering her own child. Anyone in that family had a motive IMOO. I am holding out to hear both sides of course which any person selected for a jury should do. Granted , it doesnt look good for her however nobody has heard the defenses side as of yet.
Thanks for the great responses!!
halfpint-Sometimes the sadness of it all just makes me want to stand up and shake the uninformed. I saw how you wrote about what you know and I just had to jump in and help you out. I couldn’t sleep at night if I thought I confused someone or someone was uninformed as a result of my laziness.
You know how I feel. Information is power and facts can exonerate a defendant or send them to prison for the rest of their lives. Our system of justice is not as adversarial as we all might think.
When a life has been taken and justice is to be served we can never rely on speculation. Should Ms Anthony get the ultimate punishment her loving, manipulated and tortured parents will be there telling her how much they love her and forgive her.
If Casey dies Caylee may be unable to find her.
Casey Anthony is deserving of Life if for no other reason than the hope of redemption and forgiveness and an opportunity to be reunited with her darling daughter when the Lord calls her Home. If she has to drink steam soup for the next 60 years so be it.
Boston you are welcome to jump in anytime!
I agree!!! This all based on ONE SIDE…..All conclusions of guilt is from only ONE SIDE……Any jury has to place everything aside to listen to BOTH SIDES…..you are very right about me being uninformed. I’m uninformed only because I haven’t heard the other side. How can anyone says she’s guilty without hearing both sides? Again, it looks bad by just reading up on what the state has however once again, there’s two sides. I’m not saying she’s not guilty however you cannot put guilt on someone before hearing the defense or else why a trial?
Nanny-This case is being held in Florida-the only state that has the most intrusive discovery rule in the Nation. We have heard from both sides. We have heard any number of scenarios, this case has been discussed by media outlets across the country.
Accessing information in the age of the internet and being able to read over 10,000 pages of documentation would give any reasonable thinker and reader the ability to put the circumstantial evidence down on paper and “connect the dots”.
That’s what impartial jurors will do-twelve good men and woman from the great state of Florida will come together and reason together and render a verdict. During voir dire the jury consultants will be able to weed out those with a “hidden agenda” and those with no seriousness of purpose.
Thinking demands we consider outcomes.
Good Morning Halfpint-I just wanted to clarify one thing for Nanny.JP Chatt was placed on the Witness List for the DA on or after December 3, 2008. He was not interviewed at that time. He may have been interviewed in 2009 or given a depositio but there are no documents published so it is fair to say that either he was interviewed and the DA is not publishing them until later or he wasn;t interviewed. He was placed on the list with kids who she might have gone to middle or high school with. Names I do not recognize as even “secondary voices”.
Nanny-You might find the following Blog interesting.
http://www.asecondbreath.net/
Hi Boston
First i’d like to apologize for winning the world series this yr..Sorry you guys didnt make it to the playoffs….: )
Anyho. Thanks for the site. I’ve read a portion of it. I do not agree with a lot of what is said on there, but I do with some. I still have to finish reading… Goes to show just how many people are on the fence, a potencial juror to say the least…Scary huh?
I am waiting to hear the explanation of Casey not calling in her daughter missing for 31 days, same with George and Cindy. All liars too. So the defense will use the parents and or Cindy to create doubt which they should. But i’m holding off to hear the defenses explanations,,,,Although i’m leaning toward guilt, I still have to hear otherside…..Thanks…Interesting reading to say the least
Hi Nanny: I do not believe that Casey had any intention even after 31 days to report her child missing. I truly believe she did not intend for the car to be towed, rather by leaving it unlocked and her belongings on the seat I believe she intended for it to be stolen. Had that happened, I believe her story would have changed from what it isnow to her car being stolen and Caylee being in it. We have to remember that we are not dealing with a person of normal thinking. Although I am not a great supporter of the Anthoy’s action during this entire saga, I do ot fault them for not calling the police sooner. She was with her mother, and therefore the police had no reason to be called. The fact that she did not allow them to talk to her is not a basis for the police to get involved.
Casey Anthony did not report her child missing. Mrs Cynthia Anthony reported the child missing on July 15, 2008 after 6PM. While on the phone with Mrs Anthony the 911 Operator asked to speak with Mrs Anthony’s daughter Casey.
The Operator asked Casey why she did not report her child missing for 31 days. Access the audio of the 911 call and you will get Casey Anthony’s answer.
The following will help you to understand how Mr and Mrs Anthony might have felt the entire time that they tried to contact Caylee during June, their search efforts during July and the subsequent finding of the remains on December 11, 2008.
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Going missing:the idea that someone can simply vanish without a trace, leaving loved ones behind to grapple with an agonized confusion that has no end, no resolution, no answer, no explanation-this is today’s unspoken nightmare, the modern equivalent of voracious wolves in the forest for the people of the Middle Ages, or involuntary possession by evil spirits in still earlier times. As an unqualifiable danger beyond human control, it is the very absence of information, the utter lack of something solid to grip, anything in the way of some glimmer, any idea of what happened, that makes the unexpected disappearance an undefined universe of the worst of all fears. Over the abyss of silence, the darkest imagination reigns supreme. (from Vanished, Smith,Carlton)
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Nanny-“You still have to hear the other side” as do we all. But in the interim there is an enormous amount of information out there which is circumstantial (forensics,etc) that might help you when you are responding/posting to Blog questions.
Remember that any nonjuror has no obligation, moral or legal, to embrace the presumption of innocence. We can read, make judgements based on the circumstantial and direct evidence, come to conclusions and imagine outcomes. Ignorance of the facts can lead many to make judgements which are patently untrue.
Feigning ignorance of the facts or superficially reviewing the published discovery does not move the conversation forward.
“Demanding that all of us presume every defendant innocent outside of a courtroom is to demand that we stop evaluating FACTS, thereby suffocating independent thought and opinion. There is nothing reasonable about that”.
Please read Presumed Innocent? Bernie Madoff?
(Unless you’re a juor there’s no reason to suspend judgement.) February 27, 2009-Wall Street Journal.
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I would like to help you to center your thinking but I cannot do it effectively because of your bias towards/against Mr and Mrs Anthony. You have lost sight of the fact that a child has died in a HAC manner and the accused is fighting for her life.
Every thinker called to discuss this case needs to bring a seriousness of purpose, reasonable and rational ideas as well as a deep and abiding respect for the rule of law.
Very Well Said Again Boston
Halfpint-We did good work and if it falls on deaf ears at least we know that it was for a good cause. I can readily understand that people continue to be appalled by Cindy’s behavior but I think she has amended her public persona to reflect this change.
I believe in my heart of hearts that “the facade
Casey gave that leads them to be unable to entertain ideas that she is truly a cold callous murderer” has cracked and crumbled. The shock and awe of the decomposition in the trunk took time to resolve and God willing they are able now to move forward with a more compassionate and reality based approach to saving their only daughter.
On a funny note: I think people who don’t look at the evidence are often times too busy reading their horoscope.
Boston: I knew the minute that the reply was : Intersting site, when you directed her to a second breath. But what can you do. It has made me come up with another post that I am working on at least. lol Cindy did seem to pull the reigns in a bit and although I have nt condoned their behavior (mostly hers until Georges recent turn) I still will always say that I cannot imagine what it is like to walk their mile. To be scrutinized daily, to have to face the fact that your daughters entire existence on this earth painted a picture of someone who they thought they knew, and now they have to come to terms with the fact that she is capable not only of murder but of murdering her own child. Yes they have made mistakes, yes George at first seemed like he knew, but then maybe it is all just too much and so he can’t go there in his mind. Who knows really. Even though I do think that they are “off”, I will never believe or even entertain the idea that they were in on this. Theres just no way…
Poor Caylee is a victim of a sexual attack in my opinion due to her mother’s association with drug dealers etc. KC belongs in jail due to this howver I dont believe she killed her own child then implicated herself and placed her in her own car.
Boston, you have her convicted, so why are you still here debating?
I dont know how you are sooooo sure KC killed her child. Speculation(is the evidence so far) will not convict her. Lying shouldnt or else once again Geoerge and Cindy would be arrested also, get it yet? Until the trial, i’m done trying to convince the naive to wait until one hears both sides before convicting. But i’ll be back to say I told you so, when that jury is a hung jury or a not guilty verdict. HAve a good Holiday everyone, stay true to yourselves…..Peace!
Whoa Nanny: The claim that Caylee was a victim of a sexual attack has never been raised. Furthermore, you are saying that Caylee was sexually abused, killed, and placed in her own mothers car? Um, where was her mother? Oh that’s right she was out partying. If Casey abadoned the car at Amscot:(proven fact), was Caylees body in it then? You are continuing to fail to realize that SHE NEVER THOUGHT SHE WOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS. SHE IS A SOCIOPATH AND DOES NOT PROCESS THOUGHTS THE SAME WAY A NORMAL MIND DOES.
I hope you come back, and not to say I told you so, but to read the n ext post I feel coming on….
I wish you happiness and peace.
Halfpint-There will always be people who cannot or will not, for whatever reason, think critically. In the absence of critical thinking skills Nanny comes across as a critic-she criticizes everything, doesn’t read anything and at the end of the day relies on her own random thoughts to guide her to some pretty wild conclusions.
Example: The ME cannot determine the cause of death because she has no soft tissue remaining. Nanny on the other hand states that Caylee was sexually attacked as a result of her mother’s association with drug dealers. Just a random, unfounded thought which exposes the fact that she knows nothing about the victim and even less about the perpetrator.
A critical thinker is a person who can reason, likes ideas and can see both sides of an argument. A person without these skills often times attacks others ideas and certainly never their own. Everyone else is wrong and she is right. They always have solutions to problems before others do and can predict the future and what others may or may not do. They thrive on speculation, rumors, innuendo, make undeserving, meanspirited and ignorant judgments about others.
Read the following:
Hey Boston! I was shocked when I read that in her comment. Then i got to thinking that the idea most likely came from the story about Shanyia Davis, as she also commented on that one. That is the exact scenario surrounding Shanyias death, yet it has never been mentioned in any portion of Caylees death. It baffles me that these people search the blogs for posts so that they can try and discredit the information, yet they never come armed with anything more than an opinion.
The following is rejected by Nanny:
Circumstantial Evidence: The DA will offer circumstantial evidence and will argue that a series of FACTS (we know them all), by reason and experience, is so closely associated with the fact to be proved that the fact to be proved may be inferrred simply from the existence of the circunstantial case.
She says the following statements which have no linking evidence, are grounded in speculation and are meanspirited and uncalled for.
“I do believe there could be a major coverup which includes LE officials”.
“He’s (George Anthony) as much a suspect as Casey.”
“She’s (Casey Anthony) is going to walk on murder charges”.
“I cannot accept the excuse that they did not check out the area (crime scene) Water!!! Give me a break”!
“Did they arrest Somer Thompson’s mother yet?
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(I thought this was so hateful that I have added the link to the Police Report: Mrs Thompson was at work when she received a text message stating that her daughter did not arrive home from school) Read the report.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21469864/Somer Thompson Police Report
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Remember that “it ain’t what you dont know that will hurt you, it’s what you know that ain’t so.
Halfpint-I think I lost my last post but that is perfectly okay with me.
At the beginning of this case I was filled with consternation over what Mr and Mrs Anthony did and failed to do relative to their granddaughter and their daughter. I found it repulsive and almost unforgiveable to think that they did not see this coming. I reasoned that they were manipulated, scorned and tortured by her for years. Why did they take the responsibility of this darling child and allow the resentment and contempt towards Casey to linger? I also reasoned that if they were unwilling and unable to report her bank fraud than they were more than unwilling to sit her down and read the riot act or to contact the child welfare office in Orlando. Had they done this Caylee might have lived. We will never know for sure.
At the end of the day it will always be my belief that they were in fear of her and knew first hand what Casey’s explosive, impulsive behavior created. She was someone not to be trusted.
Their daughter was a thief, a liar and a mother who was acting in ways that were harmful to Caylee. They must have known that she went from bed to bed for months prior to and after the birth of her child. Were they alarmed that she slept outside of the home and had Caylee with her? Did both Mr and Mrs Anthony go to work many times not knowing where either one of them were? It must have caused them so much pain and anxiety.
But it is my belief now that they both just want to know “what happened”. They have had to deal with so much sadness and I am sure that they will, in time, come to forgive Casey and advocate for her life.
Hey Boston: On my out to my sons wrestling meet but will be back to read your comments in a bit. Just had a quick thought about this NannySmanny and I was right. I had sent a couple of posts earlier on to trash because they were so filled with hateful and grotesque remarks. Then it occured to me that that commenter came in quite the same way. Very nice, just raising questions, that is until someone (probably me) took the bait and then the war was on. So I checked the IP address and confirmed what I thought. This is probably someone who runs in the same blog group with MFM…
Cindy is no good grandma
brunetteirish41@yahoo.com
24.161.90.11
take the kids away from unfit parents
brevibrevi@yahoo.com
24.161.90.11
nannysmanny
brevibrevi@yahoo.com
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Boston~ I agree that they were in fear of her and will never forget Lee’s statement to the police: “She is the princess” He went on to say something about how she would be reprimanded for something and then fly off the handle screaming and yelling, talking to her parents with absolutely no respect. This is the Casey I believe existed on a day to day basis, yet George and Cindy must feel so much guilt. I am sure they have run over and over the thought that had they disciplined her, not coddled her perhaps she would have never even entertained this idea. They along with Lee have made so many statements as to why they never sat down with Casey to just ask the truth: * They believed the house was bugged ( a parent who has raised their child to respect them and be an upstanding citizen wouldn’t care) *When George did lose it and demand to know what happened to Caylee she flew off the handle screaming obscenities at him ( had this behavior not been allowed her whole life, she would have been in fear of her parents not the other way around)
Unfortunately things are always 20/20 hindsight and I am sure they can see now that not teaching her to be accountable for your actions only created a monster. In all honesty looking at it from an unbiased position, I am sure that they thought they were doing the right thing by never wanting her to be upset. However, if we as parents always worried that our children would be mad at us for using the word “no”, then we would have an entire generation of Casey Anthony’s. I do believe George must be so torn as this is his daughter and a daddy and daughter relationship is one of the greatest there is. Yet he also must face the fact that his grand daughter suffered and died because of his daughter. I conversed with him briefly through email early on and he was a very nice man who only seemed to want to know what happened. I am sure after a year and a half of cameras being shoved in your face, insinuations made about your family, and your own involvement being questioned, eventually you go over the edge and turn from grief to anger.
I do believe that they want to know, and I am not sure that the answers they are seeking are the ones they will get. But hopefully in the end they can move ahead and have peace.
Halfpint-The poor twisted soul. There are many disordered thinkers and they can snare us when we least expect it.Imagine how poor little Caylee felt.
You have a warm heart and gentle spirit Halfpint. That is a blessing for all who happen to pass by your Blog.
I was so pleased to read that you spoke with George-bless his heart and soul. The agony he must have felt and yes, the guilt of trying to keep the peace actually caused more harm and hardship. Casey made her choices freely-she knew right from wrong.George can only be judged on what he said and what he failed to say.
Cindy knew first hand that Casey had a personality disorder and never privately had her seen by a psychiatrist. Medication could have modified/reduced her anxiety and depression. It could have helped her explosive personality and possibly toned down her impulsivity. Could she have been calm enough not to have contemplated the ultimate punishment for Caylee? Probably not but perhaps both parents could say that they tried to get her help but it failed. Something. Anything.
They were the first responders for Caylee. They knew Casey was not a fit parent. If they couldn’t deal with Casey how in the name of all that is right and just did they think a vulnerable child could?
With prayer and honest reflection they will come to understand that they more than likely were powerless over her.
I know that they will never get over Caylee’s death but in the months that they have this forced and hopefully lifelong separation from Casey, they will come to understand who she is and what she became and the disasterous impact she had on them and their darling Caylee.
You are right they want to know “what happened” not “who killed our granddaughter”. They want to know if Caylee suffered.
Well Thank You Boston 🙂 I can be very outspoken and opinionated yet I would feel terrible if I ever hurt someones feelings.
My emails with George were early on. Long before the discovery of Caylee and long before the toll the media, scrutiny and realization that his daughter is the key to unlocking all the answers showed on his face. In the first email he was a very gentle man and through his words one could almost feel his pain. He thanked me for my support and prayers and stated that he would not give up until she was home safe. I truly believe that he took Casey’s story and held on to that hope that just maybe someone would bring Caylee home. However, I think that yes deep down he knew fromt he day he picked up the car. I can’t say what it would be like to have to come that realization and then have to sit face to face with the one you know is responsible and coddle her. I do think they babied Casey but I also think at that point they were willing to do whatever necessary to find her.
A couple of months after the first email I conversed with Casey herself on Facebook. I had sat back and watched for a while to see if this was really her. I couldn’t fathom that she was actually on facebook flirting with men, laughing and joking in her posts and all the while teams of thousands were combing through the woods looking for her child. After a couple of weeks when I was convinced it was her I wrote to her. I actually directed her to a post I wrote ” An Open Letter to the Anthony Family”. She was very intriqued of course at first as she was loving the overnight celebrity status. She was unable to locate it and asked me a couple of times about it saying she was having a hard time finding it. Then she did indeed find it, although she wouldn’t admit it. Her demeanor changed instantly. She was seething in her words, telling me she cant find it and she doesn’t care to anyway. So I posted it for her knowing she had already read it. She shot back a couple of times and even quoted the bible. We messaged a couple of times back and forth and my last message was never answered.
George and I then emailed one more time and this was after he became more vocal, almost hostile. I asked him in my email what happened to him? He was the one I counted onto be the voice for Caylee and that little girl needed him to continue to fight for her. My words were not harsh as I never believed he was covering up for Casey, I more believe that he cannot face knowing his daughter is responsible for the loss of his grand daughter. I told him of my interraction with Casey and how disappointing it was to see an entire nation looking night and day for this little one while her mother was busy flirting with men. I let him know that while he may be ripped apart by the media and the ridiculous protesters who resorted to violence, I could not entertain the idea that he knew anything about his grand daughter missing. I let him know that I just wanted to raise some questions and give him things to ponder. In closing I stated that while I don’t condone the actions of Cindy 9 out of 10 times I never walked their mile and cannot say with 100% certainty that I wouldn’t lose my mind.
He did not respond but it was read and I did not expect him to. By this time I am sure his email box was full constantly. People said that his suicide attempt was only for publicity, yet I never believed that for a moment. He had all the publicity he could have evr wanted daily. I saw a broken man who was consumed with guilt. Not for what he had done, but perhaps for what he hadn’t done long ago.
I am sure he was comforted by your words and concern. The fact that Casey was on her Facebook page flirting with strange men does not surprise me but on the other hand it is certainly offputting and revolting.
Did the Anthony’s think that just ignoring her was an option all these years? I will never, ever believe that they were in denial. They were in shock. They knew she was bad but they just did’t know how bad. I do not think they coddled her as much as they avoided conflict at any price. I am sure Georoge feels enormous guilt and regret for what he did and failed to do.
You are quite the investigative jounalist! Excellent post-I so enjoyed reading it. Would you think you could do an update by email? Just to inquire about how he is doing; how he is coping; and his stategies for moving on.
If he got his head on straight and had a compassionate and informed editor he could add to the substantive literature on sociopathy. Of course that is asking too much now but when he gets better it might be an option.
I honestly think they should sell their home (it would take a while but it’s doable) and move somewhere like CA and get into another mindset all together.
Hi Boston: I have contemplated writing him many times but I guess I felt like he has enough people trying to get the latest story from him and I wouldn’t want to come across like that. But maybe I will and see if he he responds I will be sure to let you know. I am not sure if sellling his house would help him and in fact may comfort him being surrounded by Caylees things. Unfortunately in the coming months I think he may have to come the realization of many things and though it wil be hard I also hope that it will help him to heal and move forward.